New Moves and Good Vibrations

Rave, October 1968

Interview by Dawn James

Where has all the fury gone?...the answer is it's never been there, says Dawn James, after talking to pop's controversial group, the MOVE.

The Move have a reputation rather like a bulldozer that erupts everything before it. Words that have been used to describe this group include rude, violent, wild, provocative. If that's what you want to find in the Move then meeting them could be a let-down. They are rather quiet people, have lots of hair and are nice, friendly and polite. There's no sign of big-headedness among them. Carl Wayne, especially, tries to be helpful.

"Everyone thinks we will be a trouble to talk to," he confessed. "Often we do end up rowing with people, just because they were determined that we should. I don't look for trouble at all. Mind you, if it does come along I don't mind. I won't turn away, because that would be like putting on an act. Because we are a natural set of people and don't put on an act we get classed as wild."

We're Not False

"'Pop stars are only blokes who play and sing for a living, instead of working in a bank or an office. I'm not different because I'm called a pop star. Some stars like Barry Gibb drink lemon tea out of delicate china cups, but they aren't real to me. I like drinking whisky in bed, I like making love, and I hate getting up in the mornings. Surely most fellows are like me? If someone picks on me I knock them over. That is what my Dad always did. Just because I'm a pop star I don't see why I have to have a false image. But I don't look for trouble, honestly."

Carl talks a lot. He also goes rushing home to Birmingham whenever the opportunity arises. "It doesn't arise often enough for me," he said. "Our manager Tony Secunda works us really hard. We aren't lazy, but it is a strain working every night." Tony Secunda, fast-talking and slick is the driving force behind the group. To him, the boys are all. He will defend them with an acid tongue against all-comers. Such is his loyalty. 

"I like to get home. Birmingham is almost old-worldly after London. It's nice up there. People expect you to work for a living, get a steady girl, and get married. In London things are complicated. Girls are independent and don't want security. They are more career-minded than girls anywhere else. I think if you stay in London you start believing that everywhere is like it, and that isn't the case. London has its own strange values." (He seldom pauses, except for breath!) "Me, I want to get married ... well, it's the natural thing to do, isn't it? But I'd like to live with the girl for about six months before I married her to see if we could get along. I think marriage is a stage you reach in life, like owning a motor cycle or getting a house of your own. At the moment we are all at the house stage. Till now we have all lived at home, but somehow that isn't enough any more. I've rented a big house with four bedrooms and garden, and it only costs 16 a week - if it were in London it would cost about 40."

Musically, the Move believe they are maturing, and nowadays they agree more about what they play.

"We do have less arguments than before," they agreed. "Four people can't be expected to agree on a wide subject like music. But we do play together more easily now. We improvise a lot on stage, which shows we are in harmony, because if you improvise when you are not, it comes out horrible."

Their tastes in music vary enormously. They like Tony Bennett, the Beatles, rock and roll, the Stones - anything and everything but The Herd. 

Carl likes being a pop singer: "It's nice to be admired by your own generation. You feel special in a warm kind of way. People ask us what Jimi Hendrix is like, or do we really know the 'Faces'? I like that, it's part of the business. Pop has its greatness like all other professions. People like Eric Clapton and Mothers of Invention make the business great. Whether you agree with their kind of music or not, you can't deny their talent. I admire Jimi Hendrix because he is a great showman. I could tell you loads of pop people I reckon, but if I told you the one I loathed that would be the one people would remember.  People love bad news. If there's an earthquake they go round saying 'Dreadful isn't it, twenty-thousand people died.' But how often do you hear, 'Isn't it lovely, twenty-thousand people enjoyed the football match last night?' You just don't, do you?"

Trevor, who had been quietly perched on the table above us spoke for the first time. "I think I fall into that category; I'm a bit depressing really," he said. The others nodded. But Carl said, "You've got guts though, boy," and slammed him awfully hard about the back. 

Carl has five 'O' levels, but Trevor considered his own education as a waste of time. 

"I knew I would be a musician so I didn't bother studying because I didn't think I needed to. All I did in school was think about when I'd get out. I never worked at anything other than music. Sometimes before we made it I got depressed, but I never gave up hope. I don't think you deserve to succeed if you give up."

They have been hoping for success in America. It didn't come quickly. Now they are going on a promotion tour from 2nd November for three or four weeks. There they will record material for their next LP and tour concerts and colleges. 

Their latest record, as usual written by Roy Wood, is called Wild Tiger Woman. It seems more in keeping with their image than their tastes in women. Roy combed his hair for the seventh time during the interview and said: "I like normal girls who like a good feed, a bit of a laugh, and a bit of fun." The others curled up with laughter and said "Well, really, that could be taken any way."

So can the Move. You can annoy them and be punched in the mouth, or ask them only controversial questions and call them dirty-minded. Or you can take them as you find them, let them do the talking, give them enough rope and see if they hang themselves. 

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